Oops when you were under I forgot to add Silver was faster! Darn it! LOL
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On these scooters the alternators were probably more powerfull than the pathetic engines they had We didn't call them hair driers for nothing.Jeez! Where did that rearview mirror and horn fetish come from? I bet they haven't the alternator capacity to actually power all those lights. Mod doesn't translate here, but Dork would be a good description. I enjoyed my scooter, but it was a manly Yamaha TMax in the proper blue color.
I bought the Givi bars but became concerned that they did not provide longer bolts for the engine mounts.
I plan to get bolts 10mm longer so long as the distance to start of thread is adequate. I could not find these bolts in washer head, but +10mm will allow enough length to add a washer under the head. The upper right bolt can be re-used on the upper left. I purchased three new bolts in 55mm, 70mm (65 was not available), and 90mm length with grade 10.9 washers
I had a look at some crash-sliders and found the ones manufactured by Puig. FYI, they provide bolts to fit their slides in the lower engine mounts, and they almost match your findings: 90 mm long for the left and 60 mm long for the right. Instructions to mount the slides can be found at: http://www.puig.tv/descargas/PUIG14018.pdf
So, perfect research, many thanks!
Crash sliders have a place on a smooth well-groomed racetrack but their use has always bothered me on the street.
I bought the Givi bars
Hi Lee,
I just got my Givi bars. Do you remember if your bars presented this small asymetry?:
Yes they did. The left bar has more angle on the frame bracket.
I put my Givi engine bars on tonight with the longer bolts.
I bought the Givi bars but became concerned that they did not provide longer bolts for the engine mounts.
Repeating my (condensed) comments made on the ADV Rider board...
Here are the numbers for the engine bolts on the US spec 700x with manual transmission (not DCT). All are grade 10.9 M12-1.25 hex washer head bolts.
UPPER LEFT: 35mm long bolt with 7mm from face of frame flange to start of thread
UPPER RIGHT: 45mm long bolt with 17mm from face of frame flange to start of thread
LOWER LEFT: 80mm long bolt with 46mm from face of frame flange to start of thread
LOWER RIGHT: 55mm long bolt with 30mm from face of frame flange to start of thread
I don't understand the difference between mine and yours, but as long as the bolt sticks out the back and the distance to start of threads is not greater than your measurement plus the thickness of the brackets, then all should be well. I know that you are aware of this José, but for others who haven't attempted it yet, if the start of threads is longer than the measured distance plus the thickness of the bracket, then the bolt will ground out when the end of threads is reached without tightening on the bracket and possibly damaging the threads in the engine block (because the bolt is harder than the block). A tap bolt (threaded the entire length) would end all worries, but these are not often available in the longer sizes. The longest 12mm extra fine tap bolt I could find was 65mm long.
Appreciate a few links on where to order the Givi engine guards online. TIA
Sure, no problem. I got mine from sporttour.com:
Givi TN1111 Engine Guards - Honda NC700 X - Sport Tour Ltd.
I will say they have the best designed website with the most complete information about the stuff they carry. I think the sites for Twisted Throttle and RevZilla just plain suck. Not too sure about shipping to Singapore though. Motorcycle Superstore had them at the same price last time I looked.
I also just received my givi bars from sporttour.com. ordered monday evening and received them Today via Fedex.
Holy cow the instructions that came with the bars are pretty useless I'd say. I was trying to read the "Pictures" to figure out whats required but with no luck.... I wish my install instructions were anything better than what they are. The installation does look like its supposed to be pretty straight forward but for someone who hasnt put them on before on any bike it may take a bit of figuring out (Which i still havent done yet). :|