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I had to simultaneously upshift and brake at times to set up a corner but I learned to do it and still rode in the fast group and still got over 70 miles per gallon thrashing the bike. I never had a problem with the low redline but it did require relearning or learning new skills. I'm sure DCT riding is the same.
I can't keep the Tiger if I do this. The Tiger goes and the NC700XD replaces it just as the Tiger replaced my previous NCX. I'm not unhappy with the Tiger - that's just it - but of all the bikes I've been through I still miss the X more than any other. I worry I won't find the DCT as engaging to ride after a few thousand miles.
Like Dave, I ride CVT scooters, too (we have 3 at in our fleet). I have no problem switching between a left hand clutch and a left hand brake. Nor do I have any problem going from shift lever to no shifter, although I occasionally "air shift" my Ruckus. I suspect Dave would have no problem adjusting to DCT on the fly or the quality of the shifter technology. The question, I think, is whether the DCT brain will operate the machine in the way he would like it to operate.
One other thing I find important. I use the clutch for more than shifting or stopping. If I transition from engine braking to acceleration, I pull the clutch a bit to remove the driveline snatch. I noticed on a recent DCT test that I was coasting toward a red light in first. The light turned green so I got back on the throttle. The bike lurched a bit as it took ip the slack in the drive train. On a manual, I would have instinctively and automatically squeezed the clutch to smooth that transition.
There's also the advantage of using a clutch for low speed turn maneuvers to maintain fine control of speed. While the DCT does surprisingly well at low speed engagement, losing the hand in that situation is something to consider.
This is insightful as I use the clutch a lot without thinking about it not only for low speed maneuvers in the friction zone but also to eliminate driveline snatch during all kinds of riding. The autoclutch or CVT bikes I've owned do just fine in the friction zone by dragging brake against throttle. I'm sure one adapts as required and as already pointed out DCT is found in many high performance cars. It's coming.Like Dave, I ride CVT scooters, too (we have 3 at in our fleet). I have no problem switching between a left hand clutch and a left hand brake. Nor do I have any problem going from shift lever to no shifter, although I occasionally "air shift" my Ruckus. I suspect Dave would have no problem adjusting to DCT on the fly or the quality of the shifter technology. The question, I think, is whether the DCT brain will operate the machine in the way he would like it to operate.
One other thing I find important. I use the clutch for more than shifting or stopping. If I transition from engine braking to acceleration, I pull the clutch a bit to remove the driveline snatch. I noticed on a recent DCT test that I was coasting toward a red light in first. The light turned green so I got back on the throttle. The bike lurched a bit as it took ip the slack in the drive train. On a manual, I would have instinctively and automatically squeezed the clutch to smooth that transition.
There's also the advantage of using a clutch for low speed turn maneuvers to maintain fine control of speed. While the DCT does surprisingly well at low speed engagement, losing the hand clutch in that situation is something to consider.
This is insightful as I use the clutch a lot without thinking about it not only for low speed maneuvers in the friction zone but also to eliminate driveline snatch during all kinds of riding. The autoclutch or CVT bikes I've owned do just fine in the friction zone by dragging brake against throttle. I'm sure one adapts as required and as already pointed out DCT is found in many high performance cars. It's coming.
I just want to add that although I may appear negative about the DCT, I think it's really cool and I could happily live with one. I guess when it comes to motorcycles, the character of the engine, the ergos, comfort, looks, and the handling are more important. Whether the tranny is manual or automatic is pretty low on my priority list, and I couldn't justify paying much more for DCT. With years of experience, I shift manual gears using so little conscious thought, it might as well be automatic.
dont forget that DCT comes with ABS. that i think has a greater value. at least it is very important to me. ABS is very much needed in commuting riding.
Yeah but all the MotoGP bikes now have quick shifters and even though they are not true automatics, Valentino Rossi and Marc Marquez seem to do just fine with clutchless shifting. And no one is calling MotoGP bikes "scooters".Kinda funny, its good enough for Formula One drivers but if you use it on a motorcycle your just a "scooter" rider.
dont forget that DCT comes with ABS. that i think has a greater value. at least it is very important to me. ABS is very much needed in commuting riding.
If I'm not mistaken Honda tested DCT boxes 5 or 6 years ago but Dorna banned the technology. Otherwise the factory bikes from Honda and Yamaha would have raced with them in 2010 (??) and probably Suzuki and Ducati would have had to step up to them which would have likely spurred the DCT revolution on two wheels that happened earlier on four wheels. The 2010 VFR1200F DCT was kind of the right platform but at the absolute worst time, when free falling into a seemingly bottomless recession, to introduce a revolutionary change. If the recession hadn't happened and Pedrosa and Stoner killed the field on DCT machines I think the sport bike community would have embraced DCT - and in a time when Honda and others were introducing a new supersport and liter bike every two years. Unthinkable now! History is what happens when you make other plans. DCT was banned and the VFR1200 tanked so the performance aspect now takes second stage today to the safety and ease of use aspects of DCT that the New Concept project team took and ran with.Yeah but all the MotoGP bikes now have quick shifters and even though they are not true automatics, Valentino Rossi and Marc Marquez seem to do just fine with clutchless shifting. And no one is calling MotoGP bikes "scooters".