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looks like they mated the NT700 (with built-in sidebags) with a ctx700 and this is the spawn of such copilation.
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I found this earlier today while once again looking for a video of the NM4 on the road. It looks like it could be very informative if you can speak Japanese, there are a few words in English. I'm guessing the woman is a motojournalist judging by her haircut and her familiarity, comfort with bikes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK3nXr9vlmU
looks like they mated the NT700 (with built-in sidebags) with a ctx700 and this is the spawn of such copilation.
It still seems strange why the USA seems to be the only country who is not getting the 750 engine. Neither does
does it make sense to keep producing both the 670 and the 745 engine together...?????
Wozza, I would say it is an EPA issue in the United States. Tons of red tape for new vehicles and even though the style is the same, changing the engine size creates technically a new vehicle, and new vehicles have to meet EPA standards before they are allowed to be sold.
We have a "WINNER!!!"
California has it's own regulations, CARB, and I'm sure Honda wants to make it a 50 state vehicle.
I have to disagree with this sentiment. Every vehicle within the same engine family has to be recertified by the EPA every model year after initial approval. The NC700 had to be recertified in again 2013 and 2014 after being released as a 2012 model. Just meeting EPA requirements one time isn't enough but recertification is easy because the testing has already been done the first time, recertification is mostly a matter of fees and both bikes would require the same cost fee. This applies to all vehicles using an engine type-listed in the same engine family so Honda could import the 750 and get certification easily - the 700 and 750 are in the same engine family. Don't believe it? It's on the EPA website in layman's language.Wozza, I would say it is an EPA issue in the United States. Tons of red tape for new vehicles and even though the style is the same, changing the engine size creates technically a new vehicle, and new vehicles have to meet EPA standards before they are allowed to be sold.
To my knowledge, Honda no longer sells a 49 state bike and a CA bike. All Honda motorcycles imported are legal in all 50 states. In other words, all of us in the US got a CA bike.We have another "WINNER!!!"
I live here in Cali, CARB ruins so many good things for us all. I brought a couple of Honda generators for my RV. Even they had to be "CARB APPROVED". All eyes are on us here. Look at what's going on out here and then expected to implemented elsewhere in the near future.
To my knowledge, Honda no longer sells a 49 state bike and a CA bike. All Honda motorcycles imported are legal in all 50 states. In other words, all of us in the US got a CA bike.
You say that like it is a bad thing. It wasn't a political decision to pass the Clean Air Act and its subsequent amendments, it was national public health policy debated and legislated over several administrations both Republican and Democratic. California could not meet CAA standards and created their own Air Resources Board to avoid federal mandates to meet the law. Manufacturers at first made different vehicles to meet CARB and 49 state requirements but that was costly and reduced profits and ultimately ROI to shareholders but better technology has given cleaner more efficient vehicles without the power sapping and poor driveabilty some 70s and 80s cars had. If I was a Honda I wouldn't want to have to build different models for different states. They don't even do it across continents. They build global vehicles that meet Euro and US standards. Its ultimately cheaper. Now if today we had to suffer owning a CA model 1977 something or other that would be different but that was transition period decades ago.And we are all stuck with the political decisions of just 10% of our population.
It is. One bankrupt state's elected officials have set a different standard than the other 49 states. If the rest of us agreed we would have the same standard. The state where I can vote does not agree, but because it is expedient for manufacturers I have to live with THEIR decisions. I am stuck paying cost that do not provide benefit. A majority of one state with 10% of the population or 5% +1 of the population is making these requirements. I can't change it but I don't like it.You say that like it is a bad thing.
...Uhh, do you really want to go back to the days of LA smog, burning eyes, hacking cough, and perpetual overcast in the valley?
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Uhh, do you really want to go back to the days of LA smog, burning eyes, hacking cough, and perpetual overcast in the valley?
I don't want a special bike for Georgia, I don't want to pay for California's special bike. The point is that individual different standards by state make it much harder to make a vehicle meet all of them. One standard we all have a say in makes more sense than 50 standards. Like Florida deciding how license plates have to be mounted and slapping 4 figure fines on bikes entering the state.It's not that simple...... I think 17 or 18 states have adopted CARB standards for vehicles. It's not just one state. Then there are the Euro standards and Japan has it's own standards based on the original US Clean Air Act. Manufacturers want to build global platforms if they can.
If you wish Honda would build a special model for just your state it would probably cost more because of the economies of scale.