1st Oil change

[dduelin]

I have done a couple of oil changes now and use this wrench. While very tight the factory installed filter came off without a problem. I have lots of filter wrenches but none works as good for me as this one. When I bought this wrench I had to grind off a portion of the circumference to clear the frame of my ST1300 and this thin part also just clears the coolant overflow bottle on the NC700X. I always use Honda OEM filters on my bikes.

 

[Bamo]

I am going to go every 8K I think. I will check the oil at 5K but using the good semi synthetic "gold bottle" Honda oil, it should be good. This engine is not screaming or getting very hot and I think that oil today can survive that long. As far as the filter goes DDUELIN has the right wrench for the job. I never use a wrench to put them on though. I go with the, tighten till snug then a quarter turn, rule. Never failed me yet.

 

[Bamo]

By 8K and 5K I mean 8,000 and 5,000 miles, sorry for any confusion.

 

[soggybottom]

I have done a couple of oil changes now and use this wrench. While very tight the factory installed filter came off without a problem. I have lots of filter wrenches but none works as good for me as this one. When I bought this wrench I had to grind off a portion of the circumference to clear the frame of my ST1300 and this thin part also just clears the coolant overflow bottle on the NC700X. I always use Honda OEM filters on my bikes.

I have been useing one of those for yrs, it was the 1st thing I reached for but it actually started to slip/strip the flat grips on the end of the filter. It is the best tool for this bike here forth.

 

[bamamate]

Tight first filters are common in the automotive world. Used a screwdriver many a time to get them off back in my service station days.

 

[michaelks]

This is my first post, so hello people - i'm from Brazil and i'm glad to have found this community, since the NC is quite recent down here and there's not much info around locally. I bought it as a 65th birthday present to myself, and so far i'm very impressed.

But getting down to business : i read somewhere some time ago that the factory oil should be flushed out asap because of the large amount of metal that would otherwise embed itself everywhere in the engine, oil pump, bearings, etc. I have since had three new bikes and have done four early oil changes on every one, filter included of course, and the result was nowhere as impressive as with my 660 Ténéré, pictures below are the oli filter after the first 100 km, and a lineup of filters from 100, 200, 500 and 1000 km oil changes on that machine. It's quite clear that after 100 km there was no filter left, it was totally clogged and would have been bypassing the oil. The 200 km filter, although in way better condition, still seems to warrant an oil change at that time, the paper fins are quite thicker with crud than the next ones.

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And this is the filter after 100 km on the NC, that's all i've done on it as yet, (i had to saw off the cartridge to get to it), although it's not as bad as the Ten's it still seems to have been a good idea to get it out without delay.

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Sorry about the urls but the site thought images were too large, although they are resized.

 

[Beemerphile]

Sorry about the urls but the site thought images were too large, although they are resized.

The images would have been fine, except that there are some image posting limitations until you get up a bit on the post count. This is a very rigorous process that you use and good information. One of the things I miss with open cartridge filters vs. spin-ons is the ability to easily inspect the filter load when the element is changed.

Bem-vindo aqui- Lee

 

[michaelks]

Lee, obrigado !

The cartridge is rather thick plate, so it's a bit hard to saw off. I've already changed oil+filter at 200 km so i'll post a picture of the filter as soon as i've removed the cartridge.

 

[michaelks]

And here are the pics, the 200 km filter and what the assembly looks like inside. Looks much better than the previous one, so maybe i'll keep it till the 1000km service.

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[Beemerphile]

And here are the pics, the 200 km filter and what the assembly looks like inside. Looks much better than the previous one, so maybe i'll keep it till the 1000km service.

Looks like a very well-made filter. I think we can have confidence in it for the full service interval after break-in.

 

[Josh H]

Brace yourself, my first oil change was at........ 1600 miles. At my defense, I could have sworn the manual said 1500 miles for the first oil change. So when I took it in for it's first change, the maintenance guy kinda frowned at me . I deserved it. However, after the change, the oil came out with hardly any metal shavings or other fragments. He said everything looked good.
I've noticed many of you stated that you performed your own first oil change. I was told by the Honda people the first oil change has to be performed by the Honda Dealership. Failure to do this can void your warranty. Any other oil change after that is okay to perform yourself, as long as you save all receipts and document everything.
Hope my stupidity will become someone else's intelligence.

 

[Beemerphile]

Brace yourself, my first oil change was at........ 1600 miles. At my defense, I could have sworn the manual said 1500 miles for the first oil change. So when I took it in for it's first change, the maintenance guy kinda frowned at me . I deserved it. However, after the change, the oil came out with hardly any metal shavings or other fragments. He said everything looked good.
I've noticed many of you stated that you performed your own first oil change. I was told by the Honda people the first oil change has to be performed by the Honda Dealership. Failure to do this can void your warranty. Any other oil change after that is okay to perform yourself, as long as you save all receipts and document everything.
Hope my stupidity will become someone else's intelligence.

That is an illegal stipulation in the US. They would have to show that your oil change caused the problem before they could deny coverage. Of course, if they tell you that and you go there for service because you believed them, then it worked.

 

[radiotinnitus]

I specifically asked the dealer and they said you're not required to use them for the 600 mile service and that it won't void the warranty. I wasn't expecting all the trouble getting the filter off however. I'm only half way to 600.

 

[duk2n]

I envy you American guys and your warranty laws. Here at Spain you have to go to an authorized dealer to do the service for the first two years if you want to avoid any warranty issues. It is so hard that even most owners avoid to do any single mod while on warranty.

 

[OriginalRocket]

+1 for the Yanks... I'll take what we can get.

 

[happy]

Brace yourself, my first oil change was at........ 1600 miles. At my defense, I could have sworn the manual said 1500 miles for the first oil change. So when I took it in for it's first change, the maintenance guy kinda frowned at me . I deserved it. However, after the change, the oil came out with hardly any metal shavings or other fragments. He said everything looked good.
I've noticed many of you stated that you performed your own first oil change. I was told by the Honda people the first oil change has to be performed by the Honda Dealership. Failure to do this can void your warranty. Any other oil change after that is okay to perform yourself, as long as you save all receipts and document everything.
Hope my stupidity will become someone else's intelligence.

Hi Josh,
in Swissland, I also went there for 1st change / and any other change for 2 years, to get all their Honda stamps.

You are not crazy or stupid, just straight talking, I am guessing.
I like that.

Welcome to the den....
~Joe

 

[Beemerphile]

I envy you American guys and your warranty laws. Here at Spain you have to go to an authorized dealer to do the service for the first two years if you want to avoid any warranty issues. It is so hard that even most owners avoid to do any single mod while on warranty.

We were that way as well until about 1975 with the passage of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act.

 

[soggybottom]

They can demand you have the dealer service your bike but they would have to do it at no charge to you, they can also demand you use only OEM parts if you choose to do it yourself, but they would have to supply you with the parts at no charge to you. In USA that is.

 

[happy]

We were that way as well until about 1975 with the passage of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act.

Hi Lee
who passed this law and why?
Do we then need a group of legislators to pass such laws to protect the citizens?
Is that the government or something else? Or should there be just no governments and the Honda owners be left to do what they wished? What if Honda then sells stuff at very different prices across all states and give different conditions to different owners?

I am not too familiar with the governance structure in USA.

 

[happy]

They can demand you have the dealer service your bike but they would have to do it at no charge to you, they can also demand you use only OEM parts if you choose to do it yourself, but they would have to supply you with the parts at no charge to you. In USA that is.

In Switzerland, BMW autos are like this. 2 or 3 years all inclusive, parts and labour and service. You only need to pay for the oil, which is like USD30 per litre. Every other parts are included in the service plan (included in price).

For bikes, I think we would like that, but then we will have to pay 20-40% more. Do you want that?
No?
That is why they do it differently for bikes. Some service on their own. Some will go back to Honda dealers.

It is called "freedom to choose".