Danmoto not shipping to California

[kaibil1]

Hi all,
As some of you might know, Danmoto doesn't ship top California. Would it be a good idea to ship it to another state and from there (a friend) ship it to me in California?

 

[Big Thump]

Not sure what other choice you would have if that is the pipe you want. If noise is the issue, the silencer makes it pretty quiet. I don't think my Dan Moto is that loud at any speed on the NC, but that is just my opinion.

 

[buckshot]

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

If you've got the means to have it shipped somewhere out of state, go for it. But there's got to be a reason why they won't do it, so I'd look into that before you get yourself a nice, fat ticket for having an awesome sounding motorcycle.

 

[pismocycleguy]

California smog laws

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If you've got the means to have it shipped somewhere out of state, go for it. But there's got to be a reason why they won't do it, so I'd look into that before you get yourself a nice, fat ticket for having an awesome sounding motorcycle.

I found out about the restricted shipping when I tried to order one earlier this year. It is because in California you are only allowed to run OEM, or EPA approved exhaust systems. If you are stopped by the police, and your exhaust system, slip on, does not have the required stamped imprint on the exhaust system it is ticket time. It is mainly a chicken shit ordinance only enforced if there is no other reason to give you a ticket. By the looks and sound of all the Harleys running straight pipes, it is rarely enforced.
If you read the fine print, almost every after market exhaust system will have the statement, "for off road use only" appearing in their ads. So technically everybody running after market exhaust systems on the road are violating California State Law.
Personally I have a Leo Vince can on my NC, but I only ride off road! I think! Whatever!

 

[L.B.S.]

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

It does feel strange to have someone in the US not be able to get something shipped to them, for a change eh?

Whereas we are pretty used to the disappointment of being excluded from all the cool deals or not being able to get an item without outrageous and bogus shipping costs added on. ( let alone free!! )

Still though, I empathize versus want to rub it in. Any one of us that can't get something, should be mutually moaned about by the group IMHO.

(not saying you want to rub it in, lol- I just wanted to commiserate, knowing all too well the feeling...)

 

[turbodieseli4i6]

But that's California! I think that is a different country than the rest of us in the U.S.A.

 

[StratTuner]

But that's California! I think that is a different country than the rest of us in the U.S.A.

I often refer to it as the P.R.C. The People's Republic of California.... but that's more political than is polite.

Even though I believe changing the exhaust to make it louder is nonsense, the OP (Original Poster) should be ABLE to do so if he wishes.

 

[L.B.S.]

Even though I believe changing the exhaust to make it louder is nonsense

Ouch.

While your opinion is perfectly valid of course, and not to stumble into the whole sordid mess of like/dislike, to me it's a bit harsh to call it nonsense.

Do you have a favourite musical instrument? One that you prefer hearing over any other? Why? Would you think it a bit odd if someone claimed your Cello was nonsense, because if played properly, it was louder than their Harp, when measured solely on a decibel meter?

Unfortunately yes, I completely concede that a lot of the time an aftermarket muffler swap ends up by being louder than a stock exhaust, everything else being equal. But many times, things are never completely equal, and there are so many variables that can be introduced to skew the end results.

Again, for me (and I suspect more than a few others) it is utterly not about a simple and crude wish to increase sound volume, it's all about *how* that sound ends up being interpreted. Bass drum versus Piccolo.

 

[foreveraboy]

I'd have to agree with LBS. A bike has many aspects such as function, comfortability, economy, aesthetics etc. i opt not to ignore the aesthetical aspect of it. The look and the sound add enjoyment of a bike. But not ignoring does not necessarily mean a high priority.

 

[SergeantChuck]

Since you live there I know your aware that California's emissions standards are stricter than the federal EPA requirements. Really everyone knows that. My brother used to live in Concord, CA. He was big into muscle cars and always had to be careful when purchasing aftermarket carburetors and such. They typically had to have a statement like this. "50 state legal for all 1980 and earlier GM V8 engines with E.O. number D-215-10".

Danmoto themselves won't ship it to California because it is not 50 state CARB legal.

Read the Warning toward the bottom of the page. You might have already seen it.

WARNING: This product is intended to be used only on racing vehicles on closed courses, and not for use on roads or vehicles otherwise subject to emission control requirements (including non-racing ATVs, Dirt bikes, and UTVs).

ATTENTION CALIFORNIA CUSTOMERS

This item is Not legal for sale or use in California.

In order to comply with California Laws and regulations we can NOT SHIP this product to California.
Orders which are placed with a California shipping address will be canceled.

https://www.dan-moto.com/DM_US/nc-700-x-s-2012-xg-1-product-1060.html


Lets say you ship it to another state and once you retrieve it you install it on your bike. Won't this prevent you from passing your annual test. It doesn't meet the states requirements therefore you will fail your emissions test.

Your choice but seems like a hassle to have to swap it out every year to pass a test.

 

[showkey]

Akrapovic America fined $88,000 for illegally modified motorcycle ...
http://nc700-forum.com/forum/nc700-...ovic-america-fined-88-000-for-illegally-modif...
Jun 8, 2013 - Akrapovic web 1 (Akrapovic website / Fair Use) ... related to the sale of illegal aftermarket motorcycle exhaust systems in California. ... The fine will be paid to the California Air Pollution Control Fund,whose monies are used to ...
CARB audit of Akrapovic leads to 'small' penalty | Dealernews
http://nc700-forum.com/forum/nc700-...ws/.../carb-audit-akrapovic-leads-small-penal...
Apr 17, 2013 - Some of the exhaust maker's parts may not have been compliant. ... Akrapovic America will pay a penalty to the California Air Resources Board ...


This made the news earlier this year.
Appears CARB. Is going after the dealer and or manufactures of the aftermarket exhaust rather than the bike owners or end users.

 

[foreveraboy]

I'll have to check the local regulation here. I just ordered one Danmoto carbon GP yesterday and missed to see the warning. If its illegal, my bad luck.

 

[StratTuner]

Ouch.
While your opinion is perfectly valid of course, and not to stumble into the whole sordid mess of like/dislike, to me it's a bit harsh to call it nonsense.

OK. You are correct. Were our positions reversed, I would have felt the sting. It's not nonsense... it's a modification.
Thanks for keeping me honest.

 

[L.B.S.]

OK. You are correct. Were our positions reversed, I would have felt the sting. It's not nonsense... it's a modification.
Thanks for keeping me honest.

It's all good, mate

I meant no insinuation of chastisement or tsk tsk-ing. If you think it sounds like only something a Nerf Herder could love, I won't harbour any ill will

 

[Chestnut]

Appears CARB is going after the dealer and or manufactures of the aftermarket exhaust rather than the bike owners or end users.

CA went after Leo Vince for several million along with another big manufaccturer. Don't remember whether it was Danmoto or someone else. There was a write up in Cycle World or...maybe Motorcycle Consumer News. Wouldn't have been in the other bike maagazines I read.

 

[Triumpher]

I wonder about this argument? Is it Noise or Emissions, both I would guess.
I could see a ticket given if the catalytic converter was removed but not the muffler. And because of the cat on our NC, a Danmoto is louder than OEM but still under the limit for noise compliance in most states. I wonder if the manufacture fines are related to full replacement exhausts?
I would like to see the dB levels on the manufacturers sites but again liabilities increase. Proper training of officers in the field to measure dB is expensive so a rubber stamp ticketing method can be used and the offender then has to submit or fight in court.
There are options for the consumer to modify the OEM exhaust on their own such as a bafflectomy, but I have yet to see a post regarding one on our trusty NC. DCT .
I will admit that the Yoshimura on mine is swell sounding and does not set off car alarms. But may be a bit too loud for some.

 

[Chestnut]

There are laws requiring the exhaust to be approved for emissions and prohibiting a consumer from making their motorcycle louder than stock. I agree it should be based on decibel level, but that would make too much sense. Don't even get me started on CARB.

 

[SergeantChuck]

I wonder about this argument? Is it Noise or Emissions, both I would guess.
I could see a ticket given if the catalytic converter was removed but not the muffler. And because of the cat on our NC, a Danmoto is louder than OEM but still under the limit for noise compliance in most states. I wonder if the manufacture fines are related to full replacement exhausts?
I would like to see the dB levels on the manufacturers sites but again liabilities increase. Proper training of officers in the field to measure dB is expensive so a rubber stamp ticketing method can be used and the offender then has to submit or fight in court.
There are options for the consumer to modify the OEM exhaust on their own such as a bafflectomy, but I have yet to see a post regarding one on our trusty NC. DCT .
I will admit that the Yoshimura on mine is swell sounding and does not set off car alarms. But may be a bit too loud for some.

It could be both but I assumed emissions soley based off this part of the warning on Danmoto's page.

WARNING: This product is intended to be used only on racing vehicles on closed courses, and not for use on roads or vehicles otherwise subject to emission control requirements

The fact that the catalytic converter is not messed with nor is the O2 sensor would make one think swapping the muffler shouldn't cause an issue other than loudness.

Noise is a factor too in several states.

 

[CoopaLoop]

Noise is a factor too in several states.

Here in Louisiana the law on the books (although rarely enforced) is no exhaust modification that increases noise level above the originally installed system. I would guess that CA has that plus some extra laws since emissions are much more heavily regulated there, or so I understand.
It has also been the case here in LA that the state will go after distributors for huge amounts instead of the $135 at a time fine a motorist would have to pay, offset by the costs of proving noise levels once the motorist fights the charge in court. Mind you, I don't know of any big exhaust related fines or suits recently in this state.
And of course, any shop that's covering their butt gives you a disclaimer that what they installed on your vehicle is only legal on private property and not public roads, as they watch you drive away on a public road...

 

[maxwellian]

Lets say you ship it to another state and once you retrieve it you install it on your bike. Won't this prevent you from passing your annual test. It doesn't meet the states requirements therefore you will fail your emissions test.

Your choice but seems like a hassle to have to swap it out every year to pass a test.

No smog check for motos here in the PRC

Bikers Rights Online! - SB 435 California Exhaust System EPA Label Requirement

Violators face fines of up to $100 for a first offense and up to $250 for subsequent offenses. Judges have the discretion to dismiss the fine for first-time offenders if the violation is corrected.

Also, a violation is considered a secondary offense, meaning a police officer can't stop a motorcyclist solely because the officer believes the motorcyclist is breaking the sound emissions label law.

IANAL, but considering the number of loud pipes you hear in Los angeles, putting on a reasonable volume slip-on seems pretty low risk. Putting on a loud full exhaust, the hassle of changing it back would be worse than the fine.

I kind of like the stock exhaust's jetsons car sound, myself.