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question on led headlights

I feel it's a throwback to the 'great' age of classic motorcycles of the 1950s & 1960s. They all leaked oil at some point and with black clothes it was less noticeable. (Source: person whose elder brother owned countless 1950s-1970s BSAs, Matchless, AJSs & Nortons, but never a Honda)
 
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OK tonight's ride I took a pic of Mrs Ferret running on low beam

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compare that to running on high beam

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With bright LED lighting on my motorcycles I'm the one that knows when they are annoying to other motorists. How? When they flash their high beams at me. This doesn't happen in the day time so I'll stick with my strategy of LED auxiliary lighting to improve visibility to other motorists. If they are distracted and not looking nothing will help but for those that are looking it improves my visibility to them.

There is a study out of New Zealand that found white helmets compared to dark helmets reduced collision risk by 24%. Information was gathered from 1993 to 1996 so hi-viz helmets may have been a rarity at the time as they weren’t specifically mentioned. Anecdotally I believe a hi viz helmet is probably even better than white but the current fluorescent yellow color fades rapidly to a sickly pea green. A bright white helmet is still bright white in 5-7 years. It also retains visibility in low light or night time conditions. The relative height of an approaching motorcyclist’s helmet to a seated automobile driver wouldn’t normally contrast the helmet against a background of sky or clouds.
Moving on from Hi Vis stuff, I have another question which I think you might be able to help me with since I see you have a Goldwing as well as an NC (lucky man). I have always aspired to a Goldwing since the bagger came out (the Tour is just 'too much' for my single no passenger riding). I guess it is a given that the Goldwing is a much smoother and more comfortable ride than the NC (unless you can advise to the contrary). I'm 6'1" and 215lbs in the hot tub and get a pretty consistent 60-63 mpg (US) on my NC. If this is similar to your NC consumption, perhaps we have similar riding styles and you can let me know your consumption on the Goldwing for comparison purposes. I see that the oil change and filter is the same for both bikes after the initial change, so self servicing should be similar costs. I expect the insurance is quite a bit more, but how much I wonder? Finally, if you could have the one bike and one only as a single rider (no passenger) would you keep the NC or the Goldwing bagger?
 
Moving on from Hi Vis stuff, I have another question which I think you might be able to help me with since I see you have a Goldwing as well as an NC (lucky man). I have always aspired to a Goldwing since the bagger came out (the Tour is just 'too much' for my single no passenger riding). I guess it is a given that the Goldwing is a much smoother and more comfortable ride than the NC (unless you can advise to the contrary). I'm 6'1" and 215lbs in the hot tub and get a pretty consistent 60-63 mpg (US) on my NC. If this is similar to your NC consumption, perhaps we have similar riding styles and you can let me know your consumption on the Goldwing for comparison purposes. I see that the oil change and filter is the same for both bikes after the initial change, so self servicing should be similar costs. I expect the insurance is quite a bit more, but how much I wonder? Finally, if you could have the one bike and one only as a single rider (no passenger) would you keep the NC or the Goldwing bagger?
I realize you directed the question to dduelin, but as I also have a Goldwing . . . Mine is the first generation GL1800 with trunk (1832cc). I average 75 mpg on the NC, and 42 mpg on the Goldwing. Outside of the overall insurance policy coverages, and costs, the NC costs me $52 annually to put on the policy, and the Goldwing costs $74. For a single rider with one bike, it’s really, really close but I think I would keep the Goldwing. Better weather protection, ultra smooth engine, and less frequent maintenance requirements tips the scales in favor of the ‘Wing.

The second generation Goldwing (1833cc) of course is lighter weight, has a smaller fuel tank, but supposedly gets better gas mileage.
 
I realize you directed the question to dduelin, but as I also have a Goldwing . . . Mine is the first generation GL1800 with trunk (1832cc). I average 75 mpg on the NC, and 42 mpg on the Goldwing. Outside of the overall insurance policy coverages, and costs, the NC costs me $52 annually to put on the policy, and the Goldwing costs $74. For a single rider with one bike, it’s really, really close but I think I would keep the Goldwing. Better weather protection, ultra smooth engine, and less frequent maintenance requirements tips the scales in favor of the ‘Wing.

The second generation Goldwing (1833cc) of course is lighter weight, has a smaller fuel tank, but supposedly gets better gas mileage.
Im just coming off a 2018 DCT Tour. Owned it 5 years, a beautiful motorcycle, sad to let it go. It was just getting too heavy to manage. Im 74 years old. I could ride it just fine, the 850 lbs was hard to manage, pushing it around the garage etc. Didnt want to have it fall on me. Maintenance was a nightmare, air filter, valve adjust. Just changing the oil was a chore, 3 drain plugs, very little room underneath it. I would easily get 50-55 MPG. The Gen 1 wings were better as far a maintenance goes.
I love the 2023 NC750XD, easy to ride, like riding an old school bike from my younger days, 500 lbs it very easy to flick around.
Still love being on 2 wheels. No trikes for me. ;) ;)
 
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I have an LED headlight on my 2015, and a pair of LED aux lights mounted on my crash bars. I run hi beam all the time during daylight hours. I've never, ever, had a cager flash their beams at me. So I keep it on. Also wear hi viz jacket, and a new white helmet (Schuberth C5).
 
Thanks for the great report.
Should change some minds.
if only. I think this report shows the amount of written articles that support the hypothesis that being conspicuous reduces your chance of an accident. But it's short on data, because I think crash data is (a) hard to come by, and (b) is almost impossible to parse to identify causes (beyond speed, alcohol/drugs, weather, etc.).

I think for the most part folks are either inclined to increase conspicuity by all means (and are ok not looking like Marlon Brando, James Dean, or Peter Fonda), or they are not. The vast majority of riders I see fall into the second category.
 
if only. I think this report shows the amount of written articles that support the hypothesis that being conspicuous reduces your chance of an accident. But it's short on data, because I think crash data is (a) hard to come by, and (b) is almost impossible to parse to identify causes (beyond speed, alcohol/drugs, weather, etc.).

I think for the most part folks are either inclined to increase conspicuity by all means (and are ok not looking like Marlon Brando, James Dean, or Peter Fonda), or they are not. The vast majority of riders I see fall into the second category.
Good points. A lot of the material I read on this did consider cases where the offending driver was someone other than the motorcyclist and reported they did not see the other vehicle. To your point, that does not include data like "i was eating a ham sandwich as I turned left in front of the motorcyclist." But there are some studies that consider field observations, controlled or uncontrolled, where differing levels of conspicuity were introduced into the environment. For instance, headlight only, headlight and high visibility, human triangle light configuration without hi visibility clothing and with high visibility clothing, etc. There was a study out of Australia, if remember correctly, that suggested hi vis clothing was more effective than the human triangle lighting configuration if one were to be chosen over the other. It's all pretty interesting because a lot of what we do actually triggers, triggers an improperly measured, or fails to trigger a response in the brain of the person we want to observe us.
 
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It used to be that a high beam only lasted 1/2 as many hours as a low beam

Is that still true with led lights? I notice when my wife rides with her high beams on (during the day) she is much more visible, so I encourage her to ride with high beams on all the time. I've thought about doing it myself since it makes the bike so much more visible. However, looking at the price of a new led headlight for the NC at $991.60 which doesn't appear to have a replaceable bulb, I'm not so sure that is wise if the high beams have a short run life.

What say ye?

and no, I have zero desire to wire in those little spotlights down on the forks on either of the bikes. It will either be factory high beams or low beams.
can't believe it legal to behave like this in Canada!
here in Italy it's forbidden to use high beams unless you are riding in a 'desert' road without other vehicles around and without road lights.
You can never use them in urban areas (even if there are no vechicles running, because it can be blinding for pedestrians or cyclists...)
if you do it, the ticket is from €87 to €344 and you lose 3 points from your driving license
 
can't believe it legal to behave like this in Canada!
here in Italy it's forbidden to use high beams unless you are riding in a 'desert' road without other vehicles around and without road lights.
You can never use them in urban areas (even if there are no vechicles running, because it can be blinding for pedestrians or cyclists...)
if you do it, the ticket is from €87 to €344 and you lose 3 points from your driving license
Same thing in Greece, it's very dangerous to run the high beams when it's not needed. It does not make you more visible. The other drivers just try to look somewhere else so they do not get bothered, and you become invisible.
 
the one interesting items I saw in the report link was consideration that extra lighting on a motorcycle, while helpful, is perhaps becoming less effective because of cars now using DRL. People get used to seeing lights during the day and it stops registering as a vehicle.
 
Oh, how this thread makes me laugh.

Got turned out from my fire station, Big red lorry, blue flashing lights on the roof and front grill, alternating flashing headlights, two tone horns and bull horn going. Still had a vehicle pull out in front of us, I ended up with my face plastered on the front screen like a porn stars boobs on a shower screen.

If you think that for one moment some bright colours will save you, stop, they won't.
 
Oh, how this thread makes me laugh.

Got turned out from my fire station, Big red lorry, blue flashing lights on the roof and front grill, alternating flashing headlights, two tone horns and bull horn going. Still had a vehicle pull out in front of us, I ended up with my face plastered on the front screen like a porn stars boobs on a shower screen.

If you think that for one moment some bright colours will save you, stop, they won't.
That's like saying we should paint all school buses and emergency vehicles black or grey and remove their e-lighting because there are idiots that still run into them. Sure there are idiots but there is a mass of science behind how increasing conspicuity reduces the risk of right of way violations. That is the reason behind the colors, the lighting, and the audio equipment on your apparatus. It's reductions we are after not elimination of risk.

In addition to passive safety strategies do you practice active safety tactics that increase your visibility and reduce risk or do you ride a motorcycle through traffic blind as a bat to the things we motorcyclists do that increase our chances for a right of way violation? I hope not.
 
Oh, how this thread makes me laugh.

Got turned out from my fire station, Big red lorry, blue flashing lights on the roof and front grill, alternating flashing headlights, two tone horns and bull horn going. Still had a vehicle pull out in front of us, I ended up with my face plastered on the front screen like a porn stars boobs on a shower screen.

If you think that for one moment some bright colours will save you, stop, they won't.

I'm with you that they wont save you and had similar experiences in my law enforcement career. But I think most don't have the illusion extra lights or high visibility gear will save you but rather believe it will increase the odds that you are seen, just like you and I experienced in public service; its why we either slow or stop at the appropriate times as we were running code. I don't think the data shows anything other than that; conspicuity may reduce the risk of an accident caused by another vehicle operator failing to see a motorcyclist travelling on a shared roadway.
 
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