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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rider View Post
    Seems to me your “itty bitty cheap camera” does pretty good! What are you using?
    Dont even remember its name...got it off of Amazon years ago; dont have the box and it does not have a name on the camera..paid less than $20 for it. It is a tough little camera though.. It has fallen off the bike a couple of times..the seams have been gorilla glues more than once, internal battery doesnt hold charge any longer but I have can connect to a usb port on the bike or into my portable battery pack... I will try to find some more information on it.

    Edit: found it: geekpro 2.0.. no longer in stock... last time it was on Amazon it was $42...
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidc83 View Post
    Dont even remember its name...got it off of Amazon years ago; dont have the box and it does not have a name on the camera..paid less than $20 for it. It is a tough little camera though.. It has fallen off the bike a couple of times..the seams have been gorilla glues more than once, internal battery doesnt hold charge any longer but I have can connect to a usb port on the bike or into my portable battery pack... I will try to find some more information on it.

    Edit: found it: geekpro 2.0.. no longer in stock... last time it was on Amazon it was $42...
    Darn. That price point is right up my alley


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    Quote Originally Posted by davidc83 View Post
    Dont even remember its name...got it off of Amazon years ago; dont have the box and it does not have a name on the camera..paid less than $20 for it. It is a tough little camera though.. It has fallen off the bike a couple of times..the seams have been gorilla glues more than once, internal battery doesnt hold charge any longer but I have can connect to a usb port on the bike or into my portable battery pack... I will try to find some more information on it.

    Edit: found it: geekpro 2.0.. no longer in stock... last time it was on Amazon it was $42...
    Darn. That price point is right up my alley


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    There are plenty of Chinese GoPro knock-offs on Amazon. Keep in mind the adage of getting what you pay for. The quality will be hit/miss
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    Senior Member Kickstand Ten, In the Land of the Dragon, NC Meet Up Event Fuzzy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCTFAN View Post
    I thought I had the bike sorted but after some interesting off road excursion in the Snowbird Mountain area it quit shifting (DCT). Hobbled out of the Nantahala Forest in first gear where I could get help to return to KSL


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    Bike trip turned into a van ride home.
    Any word on what the problem was with your DCT?
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    Senior Member Kickstand Ten, In the Land of the Dragon, NC Meet Up Event davidc83's Avatar
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    Fuzzy: nice meeting you at KSL10, even if it was only for a minute before I took off-I had 400 miles to home and tried to beat the storms home (did run into about 15 miles of the stuff). Next year we will have to get your group and our group together for a big group ride...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy View Post
    Any word on what the problem was with your DCT?
    It was not a problem related to DCT, per se.
    The towing was necessary due to the clutch disengaging after riding a few minutes in 1st gear.
    The only way for me to get out to civilization was to repeatedly restarting the bike.
    Both my traction control and ABS fault indicators were flashing.
    My inspection at camp showed that the missing spacer caused damage to the rear speed sensor.
    The ABS ring had shaved off about a fingernail thick portion off its tip.

    When I got home, the first thing I did was to read any DTC stored in memory:
    1-2, 1-3, 1-4 /// 2-3 // 4-1, 4-2 // 6-2 //8-1, 8-2
    These indicate ABS sensor/system failures and appear worse than what the actual problem was.
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    After erasing the DTC in memory, I went for a test ride and read DTC again:
    Only 2-3 remained as expected. (Rear Pulsar ring or related wires- stops ABS operation)
    So, I replaced the rear wheel speed sensor.
    Luckily, I had one on standby
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    The bike also got a new chain and some TLC and runs as good as new, again.

    PS. the clutch disengagement and gear change prohibition is a "fail safe" programming to
    ensure the safety of the operator I believe. No mention of this in any literature, so its my best guess
    but the fact that it did behave like it did indicates it is a programmed safety feature.
    Last edited by DCTFAN; 30th May 2019 at 05:30. Reason: PS

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    Super Moderator Kickstand Ten, In the Land of the Dragon, NC Meet Up Event 670cc's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCTFAN View Post
    It was not a problem related to DCT, per se.
    The towing was necessary due to the clutch disengaging after riding a few minutes in 1st gear.
    The only way for me to get out to civilization was to repeatedly restarting the bike.
    Both my traction control and ABS fault indicators were flashing.
    My inspection at camp showed that the missing spacer caused damage to the rear speed sensor.
    The ABS ring had shaved off about a fingernail thick portion off its tip.

    When I got home, the first thing I did was to read any DTC stored in memory:
    1-2, 1-3, 1-4 /// 2-3 // 4-1, 4-2 // 6-2 //8-1, 8-2
    These indicate ABS sensor/system failures and appear worse than what the actual problem was.
    .
    After erasing the DTC in memory, I went for a test ride and read DTC again:
    Only 2-3 remained as expected. (Rear Pulsar ring or related wires- stops ABS operation)
    So, I replaced the rear wheel speed sensor.
    Luckily, I had one on standby
    .
    The bike also got a new chain and some TLC and runs as good as new, again.

    PS. the clutch disengagement and gear change prohibition is a "fail safe" programming to
    ensure the safety of the operator I believe. No mention of this in any literature, so its my best guess
    but the fact that it did behave like it did indicates it is a programmed safety feature.
    I’m very glad you got the problem solved and it was relatively simple.

    However, I seriously question Honda’s design logic. From what we observed, a failed rear wheel speed sensor essentially disables the motorcycle and leaves the rider stranded. The bike would go 500-1000 feet or so in first gear, then either shift to neutral or disengage the clutch. Cycling the key and restarting the engine allows you to go another 500-1000 feet. There would be a huge safety risk for a rider trying to get to a safe place or service location using this method on a busy or narrow highway. I believe that’s why you chose to get a tow rather than ride the bike like that back to camp on busy, narrow, twisty route 143. It seems to me that with a failed rear wheel speed sensor, the operational fail mode could have been designed to simply disable ABS and go to normal brake operation, along with allowing the DCT to shift normally based on the front wheel speed.

    To basically disable the motorcycle for a failure of this one non-essential part is a horrible design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 670cc View Post


    To basically disable the motorcycle for a failure of this one non-essential part is a horrible design.
    But that is what I have seen over all in the machine making industry. Promulgated by litigation worries no doubt. And knowing someone who has never ridden a bike without ABS they are sure to wipe out while braking on the way home, being all stressed out an all....

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    Senior Member Kickstand Ten, In the Land of the Dragon, NC Meet Up Event Fuzzy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    But that is what I have seen over all in the machine making industry. Promulgated by litigation worries no doubt. And knowing someone who has never ridden a bike without ABS they are sure to wipe out while braking on the way home, being all stressed out an all....
    NC DCT will ride normally without the abs working. The problem may be that the dct needs to know speed for shifting. Wonder if it would have worked in manual mode? Still needs to know when coming to stop even in manual to shift to neutral....

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