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    Since my Apex Air jacket came with CE Level 2 it seemed logical to replace the pad with a new CE Level 2 pad instead of downgrading to a Level 1 pad.

    I'm happy with the choice of Dianese's honeycomb like back pad for giving me the airflow and back protection.

    That also allowed me to upgrade another jacket from Level 1 to Level 2, which I considered a major plus. I favor higher levels of protection and hope to never test them!

    I've upgraded other great to Level 2 pads and, with textile jackets (her First Gear Monarch and my my First Gear Kilimanjaro) the D30 level 2 pads are great, especially in cool to colder weather, which is when those jackets get more frequently used. We both have hi-viz rain gear to go over the top of our mesh wear.

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    I don't consider CE1 to be an downgrade from CE2 so much as I consider them both alternatives, to suit one's use preferences and their risk assessment. Much like some might want a motocross-type boot for some uses, but a shorter lighter boot for others. If one were concerned about really heavy protection they'd be buying something other than jacket and pants inserts – they'd be using dedicated armor instead ; }
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenboy View Post
    I don't consider CE1 to be an downgrade from CE2 ... If one were concerned about really heavy protection they'd be buying something other than jacket and pants inserts – they'd be using dedicated armor instead ; }
    While dedicated armor is certainly an upgrade, Level 2 is also an upgrade over Level 1, which is also an upgrade over non-rated foam pad.

    This is no different than some shell and mesh materials being upgrades over other materials that look the same but have lower abrasion resistance. Putting thicker or more impact absorbing armor into a jacket or pants that will shred when the material hits asphalt makes no sense, but there are plenty of people who have walked away from pretty bad oopsies and speak high praise for more, rather than less, protective gear.

    Reality is if a driver hits us we are probably crushed.

    But I'll take as much protection as I can reasonably get and a simple visual comparison in the dimensional differential between a Level 1 and a Level 2 D30 piece of armor is enough to convince me that Level 2 offers more protection.

    I'll buy as good of protective gear as I can afford and leave it at that.

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    I consider CE1 an upgrade over CE2 for my use and preferences. Just like I'd rather wear my Alpinestars Belize almost any time I go out in any weather, rather than my Thor MX boots (or the Alpinestars Corazon or any other tall adventure boot for that matter). I know what the differences are.

    EDIT: for that matter I'm happier with a Ryobi 40V spin trimmer and 40V 14"-bar chainsaw over a gas-driven weedwacker or 14" gas chainsaw for what I use it for ; }
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenboy View Post

    EDIT: for that matter I'm happier with a Ryobi 40V spin trimmer and 40V 14"-bar chainsaw over a gas-driven weedwacker or 14" gas chainsaw for what I use it for ; }
    FWIW, I own a Ryobi 40V and a Stihl gas weedwacker ... and a Ryobi 40v chainsaw and a Stihl chainsaw. They each have their own uses. I don't contend they do not.

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    I had a D30 level 2 in the Cortech VRX Air jacket for several years now. I took it out the other day when I hand-washed the jacket and after putting it back in it seemed to bow out the back of the jacket more. Maybe the jacket shrunk a little?
    I dug out my jacket's original, cheapo back liner and there was a big difference in shape that I guess I didn't notice originally.
    I trimmed out chunks of the D30 with an exacto knife and it fit inside the jacket's back pocket much better.

    But I also used compressed air to clean out the dust in the D30 and noticed that a lot of the holes were actually caves, and had thin layers of orange rubber still over them. Like the machine that was supposed to make the holes didn't go through all the way. So I went to work with the knife.

    I didn't notice any difference today, but I've never had any issues with ventilation in that jacket. The D30 rubber is still soft and not disintegrating, like a lot of my jackets' black armor has done.
    When you pull the elbow and should pads out of an older jacket, when washing it, be sure to do it outdoors or over newspapers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverRocket View Post
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    But I also used compressed air to clean out the dust in the D30 and noticed that a lot of the holes were actually caves, and had thin layers of orange rubber still over them. Like the machine that was supposed to make the holes didn't go through all the way. So I went to work with the knife.
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    I did the same with an Xacto knife! Most of the holes were not actually holes as the machine making them clearly had some issues. I did checked all the D3O backpads (we have 4 of them between my wife and myself) and between those 4 pads approximately 50% of the holes were not actual holes I trimmed and reinstalled all the pads back into their respective jackets.

    The problem I had with the D3O in the Klim is that the Klim Apex Air jacket holds the backpad tight against my body, it seems to have a more tailored fit. A D3O pad held tight to the back pretty much wipes out the airflow from the big back vent. The Apex Air is about 30% mesh and 70% leather. My wife, who has a First Gear full mesh jacket with a D3O level 2 pad installed seems to have much better airflow to her back than I have. I suspect that its either the cut of the jacket or the full mesh that makes the difference.

    I'm much happier with the Dianese back pad in my Klim Apex Air but I have no plans to replace the D3O in my First Gear Kilimanjaro textile jacket.

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    I also replaced the Alpinestars with the Dainese in my Firstgear mesh. I rode about 120 miles today in the humidity. It is better, but not amazingly so. The Alpinestars had some holes in it, but they were narrow and the open construction works better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank View Post
    I also replaced the Alpinestars with the Dainese in my Firstgear mesh. I rode about 120 miles today in the humidity. It is better, but not amazingly so. The Alpinestars had some holes in it, but they were narrow and the open construction works better.
    I think the Alpinestars design is much better than the D3O and flows much more air than the D3O.

    I thin the Dianese design is only marginally better than the Alpinestars design and probably only flows a bit more air than the Alpinestar but probably not a lot more air than the Alpinestar.

    Just curious, is your Alpinestars a "Level 1" or a "Level 2" impact protector? The Dianese is a Level 2. I have seen Alpinestar in Level 1, but I believe they make both Level 1 and Level 2. FWIW, my D3O back armor is Level 2 and I wanted to stay with Level 2 protection.

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