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    Senior Member Riding in the middle of the roads (safety tip) happy's Avatar
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    I would say
    1. The roads here are very clean
    2. They are very smooth also (no such thing as visible tire tracks, etc)
    3. I am not so near the car in front, that I need to be mindful of what they are doing (and may follow suit).

    I always ride in the middle of the road, when I can.
    Situations which you guys described above, may warrant a deviation to the "follow track" tactic, yes, I agree too.

    So far, I think my experience on Swiss roads, differ from many riders from other countries out there. I think you have to be here, to know what I mean.
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    Senior Member Riding in the middle of the roads (safety tip) SuperMek's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy View Post

    I think you have to be here, to know what I mean.
    Most likely I will visit you next summer, in the period of last week in june or early july. Then we can discover the smooth flat roads that the rest of Europe only can dream of! :-)
    / Christian

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMek View Post
    Most likely I will visit you next summer, in the period of last week in june or early july. Then we can discover the smooth flat roads that the rest of Europe only can dream of! :-)
    That will be wonderful!
    You MUST drop by my home!
    If time permits, I will ride somewhere with you, and then head back, while you continue on.

    I totally agree that one must see the swiss roads and sceneries to appreciate and maybe, just maybe agree with what I said about swiss road quality, etc.
    BTW, I only live here since 2001.

    Before that, I am totally aware of those pot-holed stuff and track-ridden roads. I know where you guys are coming from.
    Not to mention dusty roads..etc.
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    Senior Member Riding in the middle of the roads (safety tip) SuperMek's Avatar
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    I will take a roundtrip tour in Europe 2013, starting in Sweden mid july, going to Denmark, north of Germany, Holland/Belgium and stop at Epernay in France for about a week or less. (This includes some heavy bike riding on the streets of Paris, of course! :-)After that I'm heading for the Alps! Switzerland and Austria is on the menu where I will be criss crossing for about a week. Then I will slowly heading home through Czechia and Poland and/or Germany. If weather permits I will be camping all the way and the bike will most certainly NOT be the X, but the Lady in Read, the Deauville :-)

    If you are used to the pot-holes you can came from most anywhere in Europe. Please do tell us more!
    / Christian

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMek View Post
    I will take a roundtrip tour in Europe 2013, starting in Sweden mid july, going to Denmark, north of Germany, Holland/Belgium and stop at Epernay in France for about a week or less. (This includes some heavy bike riding on the streets of Paris, of course! :-)After that I'm heading for the Alps! Switzerland and Austria is on the menu where I will be criss crossing for about a week. Then I will slowly heading home through Czechia and Poland and/or Germany. If weather permits I will be camping all the way and the bike will most certainly NOT be the X, but the Lady in Read, the Deauville :-)

    If you are used to the pot-holes you can came from most anywhere in Europe. Please do tell us more!
    I worked or travelled in these countries before, and ridden* actively in some of them (not all) :
    Singapore*, Thailand*, Malaysia*, Australia, Hong Kong, Indonesia, India (Bangalore), Germany* (of course the black forest), Switzerland* (current resident), Austria, Italy*, UK, France.
    (* = ridden there on a motorcycle)

    The potholed roads are mainly in Asia and some parts of "poorer" Europe.
    My most memorable pot-holed roads are in Thailand and Malaysia. But the local foods make it all worthwhile.
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    I generally ride either left 1/3 or right 1/3 of the lane.
    I would avoid the middle as there would be lot of oil.
    I choose the side depending on where I am going and the number of cages I have on each side
    Also watch the road when you come to stop light and before you put your foot down to make sure you are not putting it down to the oil patch

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    Senior Member Riding in the middle of the roads (safety tip) TechiePilot's Avatar
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    Its nice to have choices, isn't it?? My lane placement is dependent on what 'potential hazard' I'm currently faced with. Left side is good for overtaking and being seen, don't like spending too much time in the center, especially when its wet. And the ringside, I may weave to just because I can, but primarily if there is an access road from the left. I want to have 'room' to work with should the driver suddenly bolt out! When riding in groups, if we split lanes, then we will probably each take a side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechiePilot View Post
    Its nice to have choices, isn't it?? My lane placement is dependent on what 'potential hazard' I'm currently faced with. Left side is good for overtaking and being seen, don't like spending too much time in the center, especially when its wet. And the ringside, I may weave to just because I can, but primarily if there is an access road from the left. I want to have 'room' to work with should the driver suddenly bolt out! When riding in groups, if we split lanes, then we will probably each take a side.
    Hi TP

    In the US, you drive on the right side of the road, so overtaking on the left is the only legal way. Same here.
    Overtaking on the right is both illegal and risky because road-users are trained to look out for overtakers on the left, plus right is the blind spot. (especially cagers)

    When riding in groups, please do not ride alongside another bike, even at low speeds on public roads.
    You should leave enough room between bikes, as if you are riding alone.

    You can, however, STOP alongside one another, 2 diagonally in tandem at the stoplights.
    In some countries this is allowed at stop lights, in other countries this is frowned upon on.

    I can say this quite bluntly. I am very safety conscious although I sometimes ride like an idiot crazy nut. I do and can see how many riders, through naivety or ignorance or just plain stubborness, ride 2 in a row, chat with one another openface helmets on the move, follow very closely, stop at "wrong" places while riding in a group, etc.
    This is not exclusive to new riders.
    I have seen matured and so-called "experienced" riders, who do not understand group riding safety measures.
    Experienced does not mean doing the right thing.

    One "old" rider I know, he just stops where he wants, gets off bike to tell the group the route directions, right at the redlight, posing a BIG DANGER to the whole group through his ill-conceived stop. Sometimes another rider will stop at an awkward spot on the roadside (sometimes A-roads with 100kmh speed limits) and proceed to take off helmet and bark off instructions.
    One time, his brand new Fireblade just tipped over in gear.

    The best place to stop, is a clear spot where others can see you stop, there is ample space for ALL riders and bikes to stop. Best is a rest stop, not just any spot.

    Hope I don't come across as preaching. I have seen too many dead riders....

    Ride safe, so you can ride again....
    ~Happy Joe
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    Senior Member Riding in the middle of the roads (safety tip) Rocker66's Avatar
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    Is filtering 9lane splitting leagal in Switzerland?
    I though that it was illeagal in the US or does it vary from state to state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker66 View Post
    I though that it was illeagal in the US or does it vary from state to state?
    It's allowed in California, but illegal in all other states by the moment.
    / Christian

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