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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwellian View Post
    So, I decided to try drilling my damper rods to 5/16", to see if I'd get a smoother response over sharp bumps.

    It really worked. Bigger difference than just putting the Ricors and thinner fluid in. Washboard freeway slab is much smoother as well.
    Good to know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwellian View Post
    So, I decided to try drilling my damper rods to 5/16", to see if I'd get a smoother response over sharp bumps.

    It really worked. Bigger difference than just putting the Ricors and thinner fluid in. Washboard freeway slab is much smoother as well.
    I could've sworn that I posted up my results, but I can't find where I did.... I drilled out my damper rods as well, in fact I went big with a pair of 5/16" holes drilled in each rod. I agree, drilling the rods really helped the valves do their job, I noticed a bigger difference doing that than just putting in the Ricors.

    I put in RaceTech .90kg springs at the same time and had been running those for the last few months. Last night, I put the stock springs and spacers back in and I'm even happier. The heavier RaceTech springs were nice and sporty, but for my normal commute I think the stock springs are going to work better for me - just a little bit softer.

    I'd love to ride mine back to back with someone with RaceTech or Cogent valves to compare. I think it's a huge improvement, but it'd be interesting to compare the three.

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    In a way this is proving out the RaceTech Gold Valve theory. They have you drill out the damper rods and add 2 more holes in it. This is to basically eliminate the damper rod from the equation for compression damping and allowing the valves to control it. They then say to use the oil weight to control rebound.

    Previous: Kawasaki MT1A 75 (small fat tires, auto clutch), CB400 (Hawk), and after a 20+ year hiatus a NC700X

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    Yeah, I'm thinking most of the bikes that the Ricors are actually designed for might have larger damping holes and/or thicker oil to start with. I think a lot of the Harleys spec 15w oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwellian View Post
    Yeah, I'm thinking most of the bikes that the Ricors are actually designed for might have larger damping holes and/or thicker oil to start with. I think a lot of the Harleys spec 15w oil.
    +1. Don't forget these aren't actually designed for our bike... we just took the liberty of using the Transalp parts like they were

    When I contacted Ricor his advice was to drill out the rods to eliminate the stock holes from the equation just like bamamate said.

    Ricor's quote:

    It is not critical as we are trying to remove it from the damping equation. If it is .250 then make it .312 or so.
    In actuality, the stock holes were 4mm (~.157"), not 6.35mm (.250) as he was assuming. Makes me think our stock holes are smaller than most.

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    Awesome on the follow up details and experiments, guys!

    I was/am still happy with mine as installed, but I now wonder how long it will be before I grow complacent with status quo, and start to eye 5/16" drill bits, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beemerphile View Post
    Lane. See how good it feels to be a Pioneer? It feels especially good when you escape direct arrow strikes. Congratulations. The "process" difference between the two is the "inertia valve" on the Ricors. They claim that it differentiates between fork movement and bike movement. Claims aside, what matters is how it rides, and it that regard you appear to be a happy customer. Traxxion makes cartridge emulators as well that are supposed to be better than RT Gold Valves. Problem is that they are twice as expensive. I am still happy with the RT Gold Valves, but I am glad to see the Ricors validated as an option.

    Who wants to spring for the Traxxion emulators? Next Pioneer front and center!

    A couple of observations:

    1) Matching the prior spring rate may not be either necessary or even desirable. With the harshness removed, you are likely to be able to run higher spring rates now than before. So trying them first is a good idea. It is a double benefit that the suspension can be both firmer and more compliant at the same time. You can also adjust the progressiveness of the fork by changing the fluid level.

    2) Adjustable preload on the front suspension is, I believe, an unnecessary expense. Once you get the preload properly set by setting the sag, I really doubt that you would ever need to adjust it again. Rear preload makes sense if you change loads drastically or sometimes carry a passenger.

    But how do you set the sag if you are unable to adjust the preload on the forks? Inquiring mind want to know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelwatcher View Post
    But how do you set the sag if you are unable to adjust the preload on the forks? Inquiring mind want to know!
    "unable" is a relative term- he means cutting the spacer tubes until correct sag is determined, and then everything is buttoned up and left alone once this has been done.

    It may be that the further mucking with adjusting the front preload isn't really a day in day out constantly fiddled with thing needed for the vast majority of owners.
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    First, want to apologize for the necro, but I felt this was the most relevant place and it was a really helpful thread.

    I had some (41mm) Intiminators for a klr650 that I never installed (long story), so I emailed ricor asking if they'd work in my nc700x's forks. After a couple days and mentioning the fork seal dimensions from earlier in the thread, I was told they should Just Work™.

    Planning to install them on my day off. Should I drill the damping rods or try them stock first? Leaning towards drilling them, but not sure.

    P.S. The mobile interface is a bit iffy. Went to edit my post, but when I focused the text entry it redirected to the first page and my post was deleted. :/

    Edit:
    Just a quick update. Installed the intiminators with Maxima 5w fork oil (much thinner than what was in my forks, which was also dark gray, "smells like gear oil" according to my dad), unmodified spacer (so, a little more preload) and damper tube. Feels a bit softer getting on/off and riding around, seems like it dives a little more but I haven't done any measurements. Sharp bumps don't jar my hands enough to loosen my grip on the throttle anymore, but are still noticeable. Overall ride feels bouncy now (more than before), I assume due to the amount of damping/preload in the rear shock relative to the forks.

    One of the forks has a little more oil than the other (forgot to siphon to recommended level after dropping intiminator in), and we didn't let the forks drain over night, so I'll be taking them off again next week probably. If anybody has any suggestions to improve the ride, I'm listening. Definitely considering a rear shock, though they're out of my price range right now.

    (I'm about 135lbs geared up, bike is about 480lbs, usually ride solo with minimal luggage)
    Last edited by AsureDawn; 11th December 2016 at 14:35. Reason: Update, installed intiminators

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    I put Ricor Intiminators in my Vstrom 650 years ago & got a Ricor rear shock with spring weight to match my weight. Smooth but controlled ride. There is a winding country road I often take but it's a little bumpy. When I'm pushing it the front tire spends a little less time in the air. Before the install it quickly got out of shape. I'll check their website & see if these fit the NC700X.

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