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    I feel like the forks on my 2013 aren't really that bad stock. On track, I could tell the rear def needs work, but the front end felt pretty good. If I keep the bike, I will likely upgrade the rear shock, but doubt I will mess with the forks.

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    On my former NC700X 2012 I found that the forks had too much high speed compression damping. As such over sharp bumps the action of the forks was too harsh. I decided to go down the Andreani route and had their units fitted by a competent suspension specialist. With the Andreanis I ended up with slightly less suspension travel and a fork action that had not improved in any way. The forks were returned to the specialist and several changes were made but they never succeeded. In short I regretted making the change. In the end I parted with the bike and moved on because the process was irreversible. Furthermore I had my eye on the new Africa Twin at the time.

    I have however read on various threads on here that folks have had a good degree of success with various emulators and it might be well worth the trouble to read back over the various threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TacomaJD View Post
    I feel like the forks on my 2013 aren't really that bad stock. On track, I could tell the rear def needs work, but the front end felt pretty good. If I keep the bike, I will likely upgrade the rear shock, but doubt I will mess with the forks.

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    People sometimes talk about their experience with suspensions, but don’t always specify the conditions of the roads they travel (or even rider weight). So much depends on the type of roads you frequently ride on. I believe down your way, road quality is decent. I know if I lived and rode in western North Carolina or southeastern Tennessee, the stock forks would be just fine. However, in northern states roads tend to be in bad condition, and with the stock forks, can result in a jarring ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 670cc View Post
    People sometimes talk about their experience with suspensions, but donít always specify the conditions of the roads they travel (or even rider weight). So much depends on the type of roads you frequently ride on. I believe down your way, road quality is decent. I know if I lived and rode in western North Carolina or southeastern Tennessee, the stock forks would be just fine. However, in northern states roads tend to be in bad condition, and with the stock forks, can result in a jarring ride.
    Rural AL has some pretty terrible roads, but the majority are fairly good for the most part. I live near a really bumpy cut through road and ride it quite often. I was on that road when the hard bag fell off that Harley I had after hitting a hard bump running around 65 mph (45mph speed limit) lol. Talk about bad suspension, Street Glide = worst suspension ever made. I won't chase the "I hate Harleys" rabbit here.

    The NC seems to take bumps similarly to how I remember all the sport bikes I've owned taking them, only noticeable difference is the NC seems to dive a bit more on hard braking. But it's not a dramatic dive. The forks seem to be set up pretty good for sport riding, which would not include bumpy road or offroad performance.

    This doesn't mean that they are right or wrong. It's often difficult to find middle ground on suspension setup to please everybody on a diversely utilized bike, without spending alot of time and big money. Get it right for soaking up bumps, loses performance in the twisties. Get solid, planted feel out of it in the twisties, and it's too rigid to soak up bumps or do any offroading. Same thing could be said about the Africa Twin having plush suspension to soak up bumps, but performing poorly in sport riding. Higher end ADV bikes mitigate this with advanced electronically controlled suspension like Ducati's Skyhook active suspension. But it comes at a price.



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    I rode the stock suspension for 25,000 miles and it was perfectly fine for me then I rode a Cogent equipped NC700X too fast on a twisty mountain road. I went home and ordered a set of DDCs for that 2012, which I sold 5,000 miles later. When I got the 2015 I ordered Cogent DDCs and a shock as soon as I got the bike home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dduelin View Post
    I rode the stock suspension for 25,000 miles and it was perfectly fine for me then I rode a Cogent equipped NC700X too fast on a twisty mountain road. I went home and ordered a set of DDCs for that 2012, which I sold 5,000 miles later. When I got the 2015 I ordered Cogent DDCs and a shock as soon as I got the bike home.

    I've still got some studying and decision making to do before I dive into suspension mods on mine. I'd really like to have a Yamaha Tracer 900, but hate the thought of depending on an electric shift solenoid 100% all the time. I just feel like it will give me problems and that's something I don't need when out a few hundred miles from home. I'm holding off on replacing the NC for now. I will see if Honda drops anything cool in 2020 with the DCT, then make my mind up. Also considering upgrading to the NC750X DCT for the extra 1,250 rpm rev range, as that would be highly beneficial on the track and aggressive street riding. A few extra ponies and ft lbs of torque wouldn't hurt too, along with a hopefully more usable D mode for street, as the one on my 2013 is virtually unusable for me. Just not sure there would be enough improvement to justify the added cost to upgrade.

    With the CTX700, VFR1200X, and VFR1200F discontinued now - all bikes with optional DCT trans - maybe 2020 holds something new.

    I wish so bad that they would see the market for variations of the Africa Twin. For instance, Ducati makes several different models of the Multistrada. There's the Enduro that is set up more for offroading, the S model which is more for sport touring, the Pike's Peak which is a more race ready version, and seems like they make just a plain base model, can't remember. Anyways, they all have varying ride heights, rim types/sizes, fuel capacity, exhausts, and other odds and ends to top off each variation.

    If Honda were to simply offer something like a Sport version of the Africa Twin, more people would consider that bike. Take a standard Africa Twin, throw on 17" wheels, re-tune suspension more toward street use, bang, not much money invested into selling an alternate model, but it might aqcuire far more interest in the AT line, thus increasing overall sales.

    Or offer the NC with the AT engine and upgraded suspension and brakes. It seems the ADV style bike trend is really becoming more popular here in the US, so maybe the future will bring us more options from mother Honda.

    I also realize I'm biased in wanting something that fits my particular needs, but the more options you have available in each lineup, the more likely you are to meet the needs of more customers. The Multistrada is one of, if not the most, popular Ducatis, because there is a version of it that is able to meet many different types of rider's needs. Whereas some might look at the Africa Twin or the NC and find it to be a bit too niche of a bike, then end up opting for another brand all together to get something that meets their needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacomaJD View Post
    Snipped....

    I wish so bad that [Honda would see]..........
    Yes, I'm in that camp as well.
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