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    Senior Member What mtorcycle did you use for your driving test? Fuzzy's Avatar
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    MSF class is not just for beginers. I was a beginer when I took it, but in the class were several very experienced riders who needed it to get on a military base for work. At the start they had an attitude of not needing it but after the class they all admitted they learned enough to make it worth while. After 50,000 miles and 2 years of riding I went back and took the 1 day refresher class. Found out I had learned some bad habits in spite of taking the first class. Now another 2 years and another 50,000 miles more riding and I plan to take a refresher class after I get my NC700 and learn what bad habits I still have or maybe even new ones I have picked up.

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    II will fail almost certainly fail this test. It's in my nature to fail tests...("well with an attitude like that...".. yes been hearing that my whole life...right before I fail tests.)
    This statment, if true, says don't take the test on any bike because you will fail and in fact don't take the MSF class because it has a test at the end that you have to pass to get license.

    If slow speed turns are the problem then remember that exagerated head turn thingy really works, and if you don't know what I am talking about you really do need the class license or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy View Post
    MSF class is not just for beginers. I was a beginer when I took it, but in the class were several very experienced riders who needed it to get on a military base for work. At the start they had an attitude of not needing it but after the class they all admitted they learned enough to make it worth while. After 50,000 miles and 2 years of riding I went back and took the 1 day refresher class. Found out I had learned some bad habits in spite of taking the first class. Now another 2 years and another 50,000 miles more riding and I plan to take a refresher class after I get my NC700 and learn what bad habits I still have or maybe even new ones I have picked up.


    This statment, if true, says don't take the test on any bike because you will fail and in fact don't take the MSF class because it has a test at the end that you have to pass to get license.

    If slow speed turns are the problem then remember that exagerated head turn thingy really works, and if you don't know what I am talking about you really do need the class license or not.

    Too true. I only wish the MSF courses had been available 40 years ago when I started riding. Whether or not I'd have been smart enough to attend one back then is a good question however.

    After we moved to Utah last year my daughter told me she wanted a scooter. It seemed like a nice idea.. Utah's a rider friendly place, good roads, moderate traffic density, and for 7 or 8 months of the year, good/great riding weather. I told her that attending MSF was a precondition. Since the UT DMV required me to retest for my Utah license MC endorsement (but not for a car license interestingly enough), and since I didn't own a bike at the time, I decided I'd do the MSF advanced rider course. I hadn't figured on returning to riding to any great extent, other than the occasional ride on the scooter or bike rental. But.. I had a blast at the MSF, learnt a heap of things about bike control that in 40 years I'd taken for granted, and the seed was sown to buy another bike. None of that would've happened if I hadn't done the course.

    The short answer to the original topic is that the MSF provided a Suzuki S40 for the advanced rider course, while my daughter used a Honda Rebel for the basic course. There's no doubt that the S40 is the absolute easiest bike on which to take the course, or the DMV test. Gently disposition, super low COG, simple and basic - A great bike.

    And yes, that day I too witnessed the "figure 8's in the box" done on a fully rigged Goldwing ridden by one of the other instructors, a retired MC cop. He made it look pretty easy, fwiw.

    So yes, there are definitely easier, and much harder bikes to take the DMV test on than the NC, and if its simply a matter of getting through the test, and if your issues with slow speed manoevering are simply a matter of test-stress, then there's no reason not to make it a little easier. Either way though the MSF advanced course is highly recommended, and kills two birds with one stone.
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    Ah this brings back memories....I had HAIR the last time I had to take the DMV motorcycle test. It was on an '85 CB900F and no, I did NOT stay inside that stupid little circle. I was just young and good looking enough to charm the female test administrator (at least that's what I told myself) and she let me pass. Fast forward 20 years later, I lost my "M" class rating in a move to Virginia and back. Faced with the DMV test again and this time not nearly as handsome as before, I happily paid the $200+ for the CA certification test. I was surprised, having ridden dirt bikes since I was a youngster to the point my grandfather worried I'd forget how to walk, that I actually learned techniques and behaviors that make me a safer street rider. Well worth the money, not just to avoid that little circle, but to be a better biker. Thanks for the trip down memory lane!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StratTuner View Post
    Greg, Would it be easier on a Vespa than the NC? Of course it would. I realize that failing the test is my fault, but I also know that I didn't stack the deck in my favor by choosing such a big bike for that test.

    As far as cheating goes, it's within the rules to show up and use a vespa. It may not be honorable, in the Greg scheme of things, but it is within the rules and, therefore, not cheating. Reminds me of an exchange from the movie "Chariots of Fire"

    Dean: "Your aim is to win at all costs, is it not?"

    Abrahams: "At all costs, no. But I do aim to win within the rules.
    Perhaps you would rather I played the gentleman and lost?
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    I already know how this will end. I'll take the test two more times, fail both. Then sit through the course and pay $250.
    Then, I'll be done with it.
    I agree fully that taking the test on a smaller machine is not technically cheating. That's why I put the word in quotes. It follows the rules of licensing in the state, but it also demonstrates the severe shortcomings of the license qualification testing typically done across the US. That you can pass a test on a 200cc automatic scooter, then be given a license to ride a half ton loaded touring bike or a 180 hp sport bike is just absurd.

    I came off in an defensive manner because you said the NC700X was the wrong bike for the test. Well, I say if that's the bike you intend to ride, I think you should be able to demonstrate that you can handle it per the test requirements. If you can't pass right away, that's quite alright, but it means that further training and practice are needed. Training and practice is always a good thing even for experienced riders.

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    Try it on a dedicated sport bike like an R1. Then you'll understand why even with all the weight the NC700X has it's still a breeze to do that test.

    The R1 has a very high center of gravity making the bike simply want to fall over at low speed maneuvers, on top of that you have very little lock to lock steering angles to play with so you have to stand up on the pegs and force the bike to lean while you remain upright, you also have a ridiculously tall first gear, a really grabby clutch. Basically unless you're a truly advanced slow speed rider it's 10 times more difficult than the NC700X.

    Frustration aside, it seems like all you need is more practice.

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    Now this was back in 1983, I took mine on my fully race Seca550.I just bolted on the lights but I forgot to put the baffle back in the Kerker race pipe.The police officer that was giving me the test yelled at me but passed me anyway.


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