DCT is NOT automatic transmission...

[Afan]

I read somewhere (not sure if it was here on the forum) where the author of the article/video explains why is wrong to call a bike with DCT as "automatic". If I remember well, it was something like "it has manual shift padds", and/or "scooters are automatic", "it's not automatic than dual clutch transmission", etc.

Anybody read/watched it?

Have some kind of discussion about DCT and I would like to present the article/video.

Thanks.

[Afan]

It wasn't an article, nor video. It was a podcast. Adventure Rider Radio podcast.

[670cc]

Honda calls it an automatic transmission. Honda designed, built, and marketed the bike so I think they can call it an automatic if they want.

My Ford car has a DCT. Ford calls it an automatic, too.

This topic was beat to death (or so I thought) in an earlier thread.

Honda calls it an automatic in various marketing materials. Here is one example on the powersports.honda site.



Here is a screen shot from the Honda CTX overview, which plainly calls it an automatic transmission.

[GregC]

I think it’s a mistake to market the DCT as primarily an automatic transmission. The reluctance of the broader market to embrace that is a problem.

You call it advanced clutchless shifting, like an Audi or F1, that can *also* do automatic if desired, I think you would generate much more acceptance.

Look how bikes are starting to focus on “shift assist” for clutchless shifting at speed (yeah BMW, I’m looking at you).


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[Junkie]

Car transmissions are still auto if they have a way of manually selecting.

So yes, it's still auto.

[ld_rider]

It is the best of both worlds: An automatic manual ;-)

[TacomaJD]

I think it’s a mistake to market the DCT as primarily an automatic transmission. The reluctance of the broader market to embrace that is a problem.

You call it advanced clutchless shifting, like an Audi or F1, that can *also* do automatic if desired, I think you would generate much more acceptance.

Look how bikes are starting to focus on “shift assist” for clutchless shifting at speed (yeah BMW, I’m looking at you).


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My 2010 Chevy Malibu LTZ has 6 speeds with Drive mode and Manual mode with paddle shifters on the steering wheel. Would you call it advanced clutchless shifting? Nah. It's automatic. People are just too stuck to manuals to consider alternatives. I don't think it has anything to do with the various labels. More people would love it if more people tried it.

If it weren't for my "disability", I would not have a DCT bike. But now that I have put a couple thousand miles on one, I love it!

Still struggling not to buy a leftover VFR1200X DCT bike.

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[GgarryP]

Why does it have to be classified as one or the other? It's neither; it's both; it's different. It's a Dual, Clutch, Transmission.

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[GregC]

It’s a short term marketing issue - logic has nothing to do with it. There’s a negative reaction to an automatic bike among many/most riders. I’m quite certain if a lot of riders tried a DCT they’d love it.

I’d just like to have a choice of more than one manufacturer and 4 or 5 models of bikes with DCT. So whatever gets this technology widely adopted is good with me.


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[New Commuter700]

Just to add - I drive a Kenworth Semi for work. It has an "automatically shifted" manual transmission. Of course it is different from a duel clutch system in that it uses computer controlled air pressure to change gears on the same old transmission design.
...but we all just call it an auto