So is there a difference between DCT in “M” mode and, say, the BMW Gear Shift Assist Pro (I know there is a big difference mechanically and electrically)? Both allow “clutchless shifting” up and down by the rider.
My key point in all of this (and the length of the responses I think bears this out) is that to further the adoption of DCT technology - which I think would attract younger, nontraditional riders - they need to get away from “manual or automatic” and speak to clutchless shifting with an option to let the bike shift if the rider chooses.
I’d just like to have a lot of bikes to choose from with this technology, because right now it’s Honda (CB, NC, VFR, AT, or GW) or nothing.
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I think where Honda needs to catch up is in putting automatic transmissions on entry level bikes in the 250-500cc range. (A Honda factory rep asked me my opinion on that during a survey done at WingDing). Right now the ticket to DCT requires 750cc+ motorcycle. It’s possible that DCT puts the cost of the small bikes on the edge of being non competitive in pricing.
In parallel with this you have the emerging electric motorcycle field, where most often you have no clutch or selectable transmission gears at all. Climb on; twist throttle. The new rider doesn’t even need to fiddle with an engine or transmission.
Automatical VS Manual is OLD school categories that don't really capture the variety of transmission designs available today. If you insist, yes, the DCT is an automatic. But it's vastly different from the traditional automatic and it is not helpful or informative to simply call it an automatic.
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I have an auto loader which many call an automatic but not in the ignoramus view. That view holds that it is fully automatic. But it is not.
I have a XD which I tell people is an automatic at first and if they want to hear more I explain more. I don't want to shoot holes in what you all have said partly because I did not bother to read it all. It was repetitive. Some (my brother - an older fart than I am) just will not give up old style manuals. Even his Toyota. Sheesh!
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