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    Loctite and Torque Values

    Some of the Honda fasteners come with thread locking compound painted on to them. My understanding is this is mostly why some of the fasteners are intended for single use. Obviously there will be some stretch to the fasteners as they are torqued as well but I was curious as to what the thoughts of others were with Loctite affecting torque values.

    My general understanding is that unless otherwise specified all torque values in the manual are dry values. My belief is that Loctite at a minimum will provide some lubrication properties. I have read a range of ideas ranging from: "I torque it to what the manual says even with Loctite" to " reduce the torque values by 25% to factoring the lubrication created by Loctite"

    I'm curious as to what opinion/experience of others is on this topic... I could of course have too much time on my hands

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    The bolts that I always use a torque wrench to tighten are the axle nuts, fork pinch bolts, and caliper mounting bolts. The caliper bolts have thread lock from the factory but I've never reapplied any and have never had any trouble. I just use the stated torque in the S/M.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtFlier View Post
    The bolts that I always use a torque wrench to tighten are the axle nuts, fork pinch bolts, and caliper mounting bolts. The caliper bolts have thread lock from the factory but I've never reapplied any and have never had any trouble. I just use the stated torque in the S/M.
    Interestingly, out of the three bolts, it is the caliper bolts that the service manual recommends that you replace.
    It is good that you don't have problems not following recommendations in the manual, but it is so easy to apply a bit of LT, why not?

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    I have no doubt that if lower torque values were required when using loctite with a bolt on the manufacturers instruction, then they would say so.

    As far as I am concerned I have been reusing single use bolts also for years with no ill affects. None have ever backed out. They mostly are used on brake calipers.
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    Liquid thread locker may affect the torque value more than dry or no thread locker. It’s possible that no thread locker as well as a Honda ALOC dry thread locker bolt may be closer to achieving the specified bolt stretch at a given torque than a bolt with freshly applied liquid thread locker, because the liquid may reduce friction while the bolt is being tightened. (I didn’t word that well but I hope it’s clear enough).

    Short answer: I don’t know.
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    From the service manual I have Honda specifies which bolts a 'locking agent' should be applied and their torque values are higher than Honda specs as 'common values' for dry bolts.

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    I reuse ALOC single-use bolts in my Honda motorcycles 3 or 4 times before replacing them. I do use medium LocTite (blue) on caliper and brake disk bolts and the recommended torque values. When I have the fasteners out I use a tap to chase (clean) the bolt holes of gummy LocTite residue.
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