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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeroburger View Post
    Well, there's no shortage of bikes in my garage, I own an Africa Twin too, I've owned more than 50 bikes, raced seven different classes over the years, so there's a bit of experience here too.
    The price of the NC 750 was not a selling feature to us.
    I totally agree with you the bike would make a far better sport bike than it ever would a back road touring set up, as Honda advertised.
    We ride the Western Canadian foothills, mountains and forestry trunk roads, with the bikes loaded for overnight stays, pretty much it's intended purpose.
    The wife's NC 750x is a full load with every Honda accessory,
    I'm just saying,,, we found it at the edge of it's performance envelope a few times already, unfortunately.
    As for trading it in, we tired pretty much immediately when it only had 300 km and were offered 55% of it's purchase price, yet another NC disappointment.
    But that's no big deal, right?
    Many of us here that are sticking with the NC for the long term have made extensive modifications to accommodate our specific usage of the bike. From the dealer, I‘d consider it a “standard” motorcycle with, to use Honda’s words, “adventure styling”. If not kept fairly stock for use as a commuter bike, I think most people modify them towards the sport touring genre, with perhaps a hint of forest road capability. Due to the small wheel diameters and short suspension travel, it’s not feasible to make it into a true dual sport. It’s my opinion, and apparently the opinions of many others based on their purchase choices, that aftermarket accessories are often better suited to their jobs than the Honda accessories. The only official Honda accessory I would chose is their center stand.

    It’s somewhat common to upgrade the front forks with RaceTech or Cogent components. Windshield and seat changes are almost a must. Luggage is added, but it comes in all different forms based on user preference. Brake performance is rarely brought up on this forum, as most people find them completely adequate. The small fuel tank can be an issue, so bringing along extra fuel is useful at times. The bike’s available horsepower should be no surprise, since there are plenty of dyno charts and power claims to be seen in magazines and on the Internet. I’m fully satisfied with the power output and power delivery character of the 670cc version, and I don’t even see a need for me to upgrade to the 745cc engine.

    For the riding you described in Western Canada (and I was just there a month ago), I’d think the NC750X would be an excellent choice, assuming you’d be staying mainly on pavement or smooth hard packed gravel.

    It’s a shame Honda groups the NCX in their same “Adventure” category as the Africa Twin and CRF450L, as those two bikes are worlds apart in design from the NCX. But, a quick look at the price, and at the specs for tire choice, wheel size, suspension travel, and maybe even the weight will tell you that the NC is just a low budget street bike, not an adventure bike. Nonetheless, I’m very happy that I bought one. NC, by the way, is Honda code for New Concept, and it was a concept long overdue in the motorcycle marketplace. The focus is on economy and real life usability for a world market, and not so much on pleasing horsepower junkie motojournalists. The NCX seems to appeal to intermediate level newby riders, and to older riders that are downsizing or returning to riding after a hiatus, or as in my case, riders with multi-bike fleets that appreciate the sensible uniqueness of the NC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TacomaJD View Post
    What were you mislead about? Given your extensive experience with motorcycles, I'd figure spending about 5 minutes looking over the NC's spec sheet and another 5 minutes staring at the bike in person, you should have a darn close idea of what to expect without even taking a test ride. I never even saw an NC in person when I made up my mind that I wanted one a few months ago. Found one used on Craigslist, drove 2.5 hours one way, test drove it around a parking lot with no helmet just to ensure the DCT changed gears correctly, loaded up and carried it home. I can't say that I was negatively surprised by any single thing about the bike. Mainly because I had realistic expectations going in. Actually was pleasantly surprised with the handling and brakes. The power was pretty much as I expected it to be.

    I mean it shouldn't matter if Honda billed it as a super enduro champion bike.....the smaller 41 mm conventional forks, horsepower in the mid 50's, single front brake disc, 17" wheels, basic tube frame construction, etc all should have painted a good picture of what its intended use was. And if that wasn't enough, the slightest research on Honda Powersports website would reveal phrases like "great for cornering", "a good long distance and short hop street machine", etc.

    After hearing that you have years of advanced experience with motorcycles, it's even more crazy to me that you feel mislead.

    And I still would like to know what kind of riding is being done to make the brakes fade. I have rode the absolute crap out of mine in the canyon and other twisty roads and never experienced brake fade...and I am sure the brake fluid in it is what came in it when it was new in 2013.

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    Wow!
    Are you ever defending a lame duck.
    In my opinion,
    You are doing nothing but making excuses for Honda's misrepresentation of the bike.

    To me, it's just another GL 650 Leadwing.
    It looks great on the showroom floor, load it up take it out, and it can't really do what they said it was designed for.

    I'm a 55 year Honda man, I would love to be just as impressed with the wife's new bike as you seem to be, but I call a spade a spade when I've bought one.

    I'm sorry if I offended any other NC owners out there sharing our experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeroburger View Post
    Wow!
    Are you ever defending a lame duck.
    In my opinion,
    You are doing nothing but making excuses for Honda's misrepresentation of the bike.

    To me, it's just another GL 650 Leadwing.
    It looks great on the showroom floor, load it up take it out, and it can't really do what they said it was designed for.

    I'm a 55 year Honda man, I would love to be just as impressed with the wife's new bike as you seem to be, but I call a spade a spade when I've bought one.

    I'm sorry if I offended any other NC owners out there sharing our experience.
    I'm not defending the bike itself, as that is subjective. I couldn't care less if you like the bike or not. What I have a problem with is your claim of being mislead by Honda and you repetitively saying that the NC can't do what it was designed for. You may have been mislead by a salesman or just completely misinterpreted information you have received on the NC, but nowhere anywhere on the web is there anything written by Honda saying it is a true adventure bike that is capable offroad. You must have made that up in your head. I am not being a dick, just calling a spade a spade. You are making false claims by saying you were mislead by Honda and your idea of what the NC was designed for.

    We now learn you have extensive motorcycle experience, which makes it even more obvious that you should have easily been able to catch all this before purchasing the bike. You literally just signed up here to whine about the bike, why? What does that accomplish?

    You also complained about brake fade on both the front and rear, and after several requests you still have yet to elaborate on what's causing the brakes to fade....then we learn it's really your wife's bike, something you neglected to tell us in your initial complaining post. Is she riding the brakes the whole day on backroads? If not, she must be one badass lady to exceed the braking capabilities of the NC.

    I feel like not even the most uninformed rider could have the complaints that you do toward the NC. At first I just assumed you did not do your homework before buying and kinda felt sorry for you. Now, I just think the majority of your claims are just silly.

    One thing I won't do is try to speak for the NC's offroad ability, because that isn't really what it's designed for.....but there sure are an awful lot of folks here that put the NC through it's paces on mild trails and forest roads with no problems.

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    ...and now back to our regularly scheduled program...

    Hey Aeroburger...welcome to the site from north IDAHO! I recently rode up your way. I split off from the International Selkirk Loop a couple of times and once visited Nakusp, then back down to Cranbrook and over to Crows Nest Summit. Although i only saw a small portion of it, Alberta sure is some beautiful country with some friendly/helpful folks when i needed directions. :{)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeroburger View Post

    It looks great on the showroom floor, load it up take it out, and it can't really do what they said it was designed for.
    I'm sure you will continue to dodge the brake question, so do me one favor and tell us exactly what "they" told you it was designed for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeroburger View Post
    Wow!
    Are you ever defending a lame duck.
    In my opinion,
    You are doing nothing but making excuses for Honda's misrepresentation of the bike.

    To me, it's just another GL 650 Leadwing.
    It looks great on the showroom floor, load it up take it out, and it can't really do what they said it was designed for.

    I'm a 55 year Honda man, I would love to be just as impressed with the wife's new bike as you seem to be, but I call a spade a spade when I've bought one.

    I'm sorry if I offended any other NC owners out there sharing our experience.
    Your reply was not directed at my post, but I'm not sure Honda misrepresents this bike.

    I'm not offended at all and I have nothing to defend. The NC is a low power, mild mannered, inexpensive street bike. I happen to like it.

    Honda, or perhaps more specifically American Honda, seems to be very careful about not representing the NC750X as a motorcycle meant for trails or unimproved roads, or what some customers might expect from an "adventure" motorcycle. I'm not sure "adventure" even has a clear definition. Their Web site overview of the NC750X, shown below, is not specific, but does not really lead one to expect it to perform on trails or single track, more so it implies just streets and backroads.

    "The Honda NC750X is designed for the way people really ride. On weekdays, itís an awesome commuter. On weekends, itís ready to explore canyons and the countryside thanks to the 745cc engine. You can even choose the available Honda Selectable Torque Control (HSTC)** which allows the parallel-twin design to deliver power in an intuitive and easy-to-use way. The NC750X also has class-leading innovations, like integrated storage and our available Automatic Dual-Clutch Transmission. It seems like everyone is looking for a bike that does it all. The NC750X delivers without compromise."

    In other descriptions, I've seen Honda carefully use the term "adventure styled", rather than calling it an adventure bike. On the Canada site they even refer to the tires as having "off-road style tread pattern." Throughout the Canada site NC750X descriptions, all they refer to is road, city, highway, and cottage road, but never trail or off pavement situations. Granted, they do show it in their Adventure category, which might lead a customer to some assumptions. Now then, what a dealer might tell a customer about the bike in order to make a sale is possibly a whole different story.

    In any event, an inspection of the bike, a review of the specifications, and a test ride would tell you if the bike is up to the task you intend it for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeroburger View Post
    It looks great on the showroom floor, load it up take it out, and it can't really do what they said it was designed for.
    If "they" is the dealer, then I wouldn't be surprised if you were possibly lied to. If "they" is Honda corporate or American Honda, I'd be interested in what literature was presented to you that set your expectations and made the bike fail to meet your expectations.
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    Well firstly, welcome @Aeroburger. Secondly, it seems I'm only going to be speaking for myself here, but when I get on the odd dirt road, I thoroughly enjoy myself! Especially with the road tyres I'm able to slide the tail out at about 40kph!

    Of course I'm no expert, but I've ridden the odd off road track with my KTM 250exc...

    I think the market Honda have aimed at (all-rounder commuter that can go slightly off road when necessary) has definitely hit the target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacomaJD View Post
    I'm sure you will continue to dodge the brake question, so do me one favor and tell us exactly what "they" told you it was designed for?
    Sorry if I didn't come across well, they tell me I'm a salty old dog.

    Coming down the Cadomin road did in brakes with my wife on it, loaded and plastered with mud.
    A 41 km multi surface mountain road with double digit grades.
    If I could get a picture to load I would gladly send you a picture of the gun blue brake rotor.
    I could pound around my home town for less than three minutes when the bike was first undressed and the brakes would fade away, bin' there done that.

    A little more field testing on Honda's part would have been greatly beneficial to us before dropping it into this category.
    Tire size, underbelly protection, seat, windshield, handlebars, optimum size luggage manufacturer, instrument glare, etc, are all basic things I feel I should have been looked at long before it became a 750.

    I just don't feel I should have to modify and correct so many issues on an claimed adventure sports bike to make it comfortable on a long haul secondary road excursion.

    But still,
    it is my fault, for not test riding a fully dressed, loaded at touring weight, NC 750x, on a mountainous gravel road before making this purchase.

    Silly me.
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