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    Imho.... ABS is not a "bad" thing in itself but Front Wheel Lockup on a motorcycle is almost always a BAD thing.

    I agree that learning to ride in the dirt or on the rocks (having ridden motocross and trials) was definitely beneficial in terms of learning to "feel" what a bike is doing. It has probably saved me a great deal of trouble over the years.

    ABS that is built around a bad set of hardware or, more likely, bad programming can be less than perfect. If an ABS is actually capable of inceasing braking forces to the literal 'edge of traction' and then backing off a fraction then, in theory, it should brake as hard as any human can and still prevent lockup. But bad sensors, bad brakes, or bad programming will defeat that capability. And, how many of these programmers have ever ridden a motorcycle?

    I can see how, especially in deep sand or gravel, plowing straight ahead, on an upright bike, with a locked front, might stop faster than a front wheel that is not locked up but that seems to be an exception to the abs rule.

    Again, IMO, just because someone had a problem with ABS in a specific car, by a specific manufacturer, in a certain model, built in a certain year, that is no reason to curse all ABS systems and ignore their benefits. A rough analogy.... My first cellphone weighed 8 pounds, had a shoulder-strap and the battery only lasted 23 minutes. I would never have purchased another one if I judged all cellphones by that one.

    I personally would not cross an otherwise near-perfect bike off my wishlist just because it has ABS. I love my NC700X and still, after almost 5 years, think the NC with DCT is as close to the perfect commuter bike ever built. And, with a nice seat, it makes a terrific (and very capable) light touring bike, right, IBA Rob?
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    Junior Member Indecisive Newbie Dellaster's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olythom View Post
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    I personally would not cross an otherwise near-perfect bike off my wishlist just because it has ABS. I love my NC700X and still, after almost 5 years, think the NC with DCT is as close to the perfect commuter bike ever built. And, with a nice seat, it makes a terrific (and very capable) light touring bike, right, IBA Rob?
    >T
    Thanks for your input. I didn’t intend for this to turn into an ABS debate thread, but it’s been interesting and informative to read various opinions.

    I’m no longer crossing the NC-X off my shortlist, whether DCT+ABS or manual. It will likely come down to what “used” deal I come across that’s not 2/3rds of the way across the US from me. In the winter... in the snowy parts of the country.

    Also remaining on the shortlist are the newly improved 2019 Honda CB500X and the BMW F700GS. It’ll be unlikely to see the former for sale “used” any time soon and the latter with low miles and a decent amount of farkles can actually be found for about the price of the new 2019 CB500X ABS out-the-door. Downside is that most F700GS bikes I’ve seen advertised have lowered suspension and/or seat, which I do not want at all.

    (Disclaimer: I am a former BMW motorcycle owner—R90/6—so I have a serious soft spot for them that defies rationality. That, in the end, might tip the scales, everything else about a deal being roughly equal.)

    We’ll see how the chips fall.
    Last edited by Dellaster; 22nd July 2019 at 13:18. Reason: Clarity
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    The other two bikes in my garage are a 2005 R1150R (incidentally, the abs was removed by the previous owner) and a 2011 R1200GS so I know about developing a soft spot for the Beemers.

    Can I ask how you plan to use the NC700 or other new bike? Commute, putt around town, road trips, racing in the twisties?
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    My thought is that ABS & DCT are always combined for ease of production. That way, besides the colors they'll only have bikes with manual trans and other bikes with ABS/DCT.

    Dellaster - your fear of DCT problems not being fixable in your garage is moot. You could have the same worries about fuel injection, electronic ignition, etc. I have 25k miles on my 2013 DCT bike and it has run all that time without any problems. :-)
    Last edited by DirtFlier; 22nd July 2019 at 13:29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtFlier View Post
    My thought is that ABS & DCT are always combined for ease of production. That way, besides the colors they'll only have bikes with manual trans and other bikes with ABS/DCT.

    Dellaster - your fear of DCT problems not being fixable in your garage is moot. You could have the same worries about fuel injection, electronic ignition, etc. I have 25k miles on my 2013 DCT bike and it has run all that time without any problems. :-)
    Yup, that’s about where my thinking on it has ended up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Olythom View Post
    The other two bikes in my garage are a 2005 R1150R (incidentally, the abs was removed by the previous owner) and a 2011 R1200GS so I know about developing a soft spot for the Beemers.

    Can I ask how you plan to use the NC700 or other new bike? Commute, putt around town, road trips, racing in the twisties?
    >T
    Sorry, all that preliminary stuff got left behind in the newbie welcome megathread. I’ve been full-time RVing and semi-retired for over eight years. Now that I’m fully retired I think starting next year I’ll want to do some US & Canada adventure touring on a motorcycle w/camping gear. Lots of forest roads—dispersed camping—in the US at least, along with getting to the trailheads for day hiking. Nothing gnarly off-road. I’m a sedate forest road rider even with my KLX250S. I bet most of it I could do on a Harley if I didn’t mind getting it dirty.

    Mostly road riding, however, cruising the highways at moderate speed (I have never been a fast rider). Mountain twisties are fun for me, too. Again, at moderate, sane speeds.
    Last edited by Dellaster; 22nd July 2019 at 13:53.
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